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Re: drive by

Postby Roflraptor on Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:19 am

Laser wrote:
Aries* wrote:
tens0r wrote:
Laser wrote:just as it would be a very sad day if our police had to carry guns around with them.

I lol'd so hard.


Why is that funny? 0_o


I was thinking the same thing 0_o


I wasn't. 0_o
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Re: drive by

Postby Laser on Mon Aug 30, 2010 11:56 am

Max Rambone wrote:Hmmmm...wonder why they don't yews guns there...

# In June 1980, hostage Gail Kinchin and her unborn baby were killed in crossfire between West Midlands officers and her deranged boyfriend. Later, he stood trial for her murder but, after an 18-day hearing, was found not guilty.
# On 17 January 1983 Stephen Waldorf was shot by police hunting David Martin, who absconded from custody at Marlborough Street magistrates' court where he was due to face a charge of attempting to murder a police officer. Waldorf was critically injured in a police ambush in a west London street after he was mistaken for Martin. He was shot five times, and then pistol whipped by an officer who had attempted to shoot him in the head, but had already used all his ammunition. Two officers, John Jardine and Peter Finch, stood trial for attempted murder and attempted wounding but were cleared of all charges in October 1983. Waldorf made a full recovery and eventually received compensation.[27]
# On 24 August 1985 John Shorthouse aged 5 was shot dead in a police raid on his home in Birmingham. The incident produced hostility towards the police over two days after John's death when a policewoman was dragged from her patrol car and beaten by youths. PC Brian Chester, stood trial for manslaughter but was acquitted. Following the Shorthouse case, West Midlands police abandoned its practice of training rank-and-file officers for firearms duties and formed a specialist squad.[28]
# On 28 September 1985 Cherry Groce, a mother-of-six, was shot and paralysed by officers looking for her son. The shooting sparked riots in Brixton which led to the death of a photographer, hit on the head by a brick. The officer was cleared of all criminal charges.[29]
# On 15 January 1998 James Ashley, 39, was shot and killed by Sussex Police while naked and unarmed during a drugs raid at his flat.[30]
# In June 1999 Derek Bateman, 47, of Surrey was shot by a single bullet through the heart after his girlfriend went to a neighbour's house and telephone the police, telling them he was armed and had threatening to shoot her. It was then determined that the weapon he had brandished at the police was an air pistol. No officer was prosecuted.[31]
# On 22 September 1999 Harry Stanley, a painter and decorator, born in Bellshill near Glasgow, was walking home when he was shot dead by two Metropolitan Police officers following an erroneous report that he was carrying a sawn-off shotgun in a plastic bag. The officers challenged Mr Stanley from behind as he turned to face them, they shot him dead at a distance of 5 metres. It later emerged that the plastic bag actually contained a broken table leg that Stanley's brother had just fixed for him. Following numerous enquiries (in November 2004 a jury returned a verdict of unlawful killing) both officers were exonerated after 6 years of court cases and inquiries. It was found that neither officer was liable for criminal charges nor would face any disciplinary sanctions. However, the report did make notable recommendations to the police on the post-incident procedure to be followed after a shooting and about challenging members of the public from behind.[32]
# On 12 July 2001 Mr Andrew Kernan, 37, a gardener from Wavertree in Liverpool was shot dead in the street by the second of two shots fired by officers of the Merseyside Police Force. The officers had been called to the scene by the victim's mother, Marie Kernan, who had also requested a psychiatric medical team attend her home because her schizophrenic son, Andrew Kernan, was being aggressive. At least four police officers from the Merseyside force went to Mrs Kernan's flat but Andrew Kernan ran into the street, dressed in his pyjamas, wielding a Katana. Mr Kernan slashed off the wing mirror of one of the police cars. After negotiating with him for 25 minutes and using CS gas officers fired two shots. The second bullet hit Mr Kernan in the chest and he died on the way to hospital. In the case of Andrew Kernan, the Chief Constable of Merseyside Police Norman Bettison took the unusual step of sending a hand-written letter to Marie Kernan with his apologies. The then Home Secretary David Blunkett ordered a review of how armed police were used, and the dead man's mother, Marie Kernan, 59, commented at the time: "You don't kill somebody with a mental illness. I demand justice for Andrew and won't rest until I get an answer." However, a verdict of lawful killing was returned by the jury at Liverpool District Coroner's Court on 9 December 2004, and the Coroner, Andre Rebello, praised the actions of the officers at the scene. The IPCA Commissioner for the North West, Mike Franklin, stated that “the officers involved in this case were presented with a rapidly evolving scenario... Firearms officers at the scene acted bravely and the investigation has found no evidence that their actions fell below that required or expected of them." [33]
# In July 2005, West Yorkshire police tasered a man in hypoglycaemic shock, believing that he was a potential security threat.[34]
# On 22 July 2005, Jean Charles de Menezes, a Brazilian national living in London, was shot dead by unnamed Metropolitan Police officers on board an Underground train at Stockwell tube station, in the belief he was a suicide bomber. He was shot in the back of the head 7 times. Initially, police claimed incorrectly that he was wearing bulky clothing and that he had vaulted the ticket barriers running from police. It soon became clear that de Menezes did not vault and run from the police, but police did not correct their statement until the correct information was leaked to the press. They later issued an apology, saying that they had mistaken him for a suspect in the previous day's failed bombings and acknowledging that de Menezes in fact had no explosives and was unconnected with the attempted bombings. Following an investigation by the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC), the Crown Prosecution Service announced on 17 July 2006, that no charges would be brought against any individual officers in relation to the death of Jean Charles. Sir Ian Blair, Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police will, however, face charges under Health and Safety legislation in his professional — rather than personal — capacity. The family of Jean Charles has called on the government to open a public inquiry into the shooting.[35]
# On 2 June 2006, two family homes were raided in an operation involving 250 police in east London. One man, Abdul Kahar, was shot in the shoulder by police during the raid, but was later released without charge. The raid was based on faulty intelligence. No officer has been prosecuted in connection with the shooting.


They can't shoot....like most euros :)

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I'd be willing to bet my life there have been not only more, but far worse incidents like this in USA. But it does show that guns are a bad idea for all police to carry.
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Re: drive by

Postby Turky on Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:58 pm

Right, but what might you have to say about the lack of justice served in those scenarios? I somehow doubt that there'd be similar negligence here in the U.S. Not talking Guantanamo here, just everyday police encounters.
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Re: drive by

Postby Laser on Tue Aug 31, 2010 8:48 am

I see 11 cases in 26 years, some of which not involving firearms.

As for justice, mistakes happen, it's not like these incidents involved police going out and planning to kill someone, and I would imagine the worst cases had police stripped of their firearms, and at least put under a big media spotlight where they couldn't lift a finger without it being reported on national television.

The 2005 thing was huge, as I remember, no official charges were brought against the officers, but I don't think they were allowed to be armed officers anymore.
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Re: drive by

Postby dadeus on Tue Aug 31, 2010 2:29 pm

Yes I am doing fine......









course all my guns knives and bows are in working condition and ready for action...
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Re: drive by

Postby Aries* on Tue Aug 31, 2010 2:52 pm

lol
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Re: drive by

Postby Magyk on Tue Aug 31, 2010 6:30 pm

lol. dudes still upset they lost the war.






dudes even more upset they have shitty cars.
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Re: drive by

Postby Max Rambone on Tue Aug 31, 2010 6:51 pm

That......was......awwwesome!!!!

I would love to have one of those cars.

I used to have a '69 Roadrunner, but I sold it and I kick myself everyday for doing it.

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Re: drive by

Postby Magyk on Tue Aug 31, 2010 7:03 pm

Max Rambone wrote:I used to have a '69 Roadrunner, but I sold it and I kick myself everyday for doing it.


You sound like my dad, who apparently owned every car from a '70 Boss 302, to a '69 AMC Javelin.
I know he had a roadrunner too, but I'm not certain of the year, I think it was maybe a 1970 though.
Once he made a list of every car he could remember owning, and it's worth now... it wasn't pretty hah.

He did keep a '68 Mustang Coup though, it's a fun summer car for sure :lol:

American Muscle > *Any* European Exotic any day of the week.
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Re: drive by

Postby Max Rambone on Tue Aug 31, 2010 7:38 pm

If I could have any car, it would probably be this one:



A collaboration between Detroit and Britain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_Cobra

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