Anti-Bacon sentiment lamer...... hmmm, getting too popular

[Max Rambone]

This dude seeks a higher level of admin in a round-about way.

~archi

[Magyk]

Kick admin is pointless IMO, I dont think I've ever kicked anyone from tempest. I prefer to forceteam the shit out of offenders instead.

[Turky]

This dude goes blatantly trkafk with Guard on the server and remains unbanned from siegepugvgs.

~archi

1. We were having that rcon login problem on old impulse last night
2. Turkey has lost all credibility now when calling out people for pugkilling
3. Turkey is banned from the new Impulse indefinitely, once I get the rcon fixed he will be banned from the old one too indefinitely

I expected better from you Turkey.

Unsure why this needs to be indefinite. There's a limited number of people already and now we're looking at a permanent -1? Why isn't this just a temporary ban?

I don't know why Turk went AFK this time around, I honestly wasn't paying attention. However, whatever his reasons were, the only harm done was that someone had to sub out. The pug didn't die, no one was seriously injured and yet we're looking at permanently banning a player? I can't help but think this is being done a little too hastily.

If someone wants to enlighten me as to why this particular occurrence was anything worse than the others or why this was considered the last straw, I'd love to hear it. Or are we going with the old 'we'll do what we want because we can and we don't have to explain ourselves' line on this one?

I stop playing when teammates stop listening to me, whether ingame or in vent. Listening is a part of the video game, therefore not listening counts as intentionally omitting a crucial element of the video game. Like playing techless on hoth d, for example.

[GUARD!AN]

Roflraptor, I was sticking to my old rule about pugkilling = ban until next person pugkills, but you are right, i'll just make it a 24 hour temp ban since it was more of an inconvenience instead of pugkill.

[Roflraptor]

I stop playing when teammates stop listening to me, whether ingame or in vent. Listening is a part of the video game, therefore not listening counts as intentionally omitting a crucial element of the video game. Like playing techless on hoth d, for example.

Part of the game is compensating for these types of things. It might be a little frustrating but there's still the capacity to keep playing despite the problems encountered. If anything, it can be more entertaining to play a match where there is additional difficulty attached. Although, I admit that outright stacking can be less than enjoyable.

I can see only a few reasons why you would continue to do this. The obvious one is that you want to be listened to and you want to attach some weight to your message. Instead of being respected, it's more 'listen to me or I'll take my ball and go home'. In that case, it's really a threat more than anything else and I'm not sure many of us really respond well to threats. In all honesty, I think people are more likely to antagonise you than to respect your threat of leaving the video game if you don't get your way. Why? Because your method of getting your way is childish and by antagonising you until you break, you're the one who ends up embarrassed in front of everyone else. If people capitulate and accept what you're saying, they're the ones who end up embarrassed. By validating your threat, they have to admit that they respect you, without you having done anything to garner that respect. In all your years of siege, which do you think is more likely; that someone will want to embarrass you or that someone will behave obsequiously towards you? Would you even accept the latter option yourself if someone else did this to you?

I'm going to take latter option now because I want you to stick around. It's more than you'll ever get from most people, especially in this circumstance. I don't want you to leave games anymore because I enjoy it when you are helping to get games going and making them more enjoyable with your presence. You're a good player, one that can be more considerate and helpful than a lot of others, when you choose to be that way. That said, even I won't listen to you the next time this happens. I respect you less each time you choose to do this, just as you don't realise everyone else has done the same.

Roflraptor, I was sticking to my old rule about pugkilling = ban until next person pugkills, but you are right, i'll just make it a 24 hour temp ban since it was more of an inconvenience instead of pugkill.

Thanks.

[piipe]

well IMO:


Part of the game is compensating for these types of things. It might be a little frustrating but there's still the capacity to keep playing despite the problems encountered. If anything, it can be more entertaining to play a match where there is additional difficulty attached. Although, I admit that outright stacking can be less than enjoyable.

I can see only a few reasons why you would continue to do this. The obvious one is that you want to be listened to and you want to attach some weight to your message. Instead of being respected, it's more 'listen to me or I'll take my ball and go home'. In that case, it's really a threat more than anything else and I'm not sure many of us really respond well to threats. In all honesty, I think people are more likely to antagonise you than to respect your threat of leaving the video game if you don't get your way. Why? Because your method of getting your way is childish and by antagonising you until you break, you're the one who ends up embarrassed in front of everyone else. If people capitulate and accept what you're saying, they're the ones who end up embarrassed. By validating your threat, they have to admit that they respect you, without you having done anything to garner that respect. In all your years of siege, which do you think is more likely; that someone will want to embarrass you or that someone will behave obsequiously towards you? Would you even accept the latter option yourself if someone else did this to you?

I'm going to take latter option now because I want you to stick around. It's more than you'll ever get from most people, especially in this circumstance. I don't want you to leave games anymore because I enjoy it when you are helping to get games going and making them more enjoyable with your presence. You're a good player, one that can be more considerate and helpful than a lot of others, when you choose to be that way. That said, even I won't listen to you the next time this happens. I respect you less each time you choose to do this, just as you don't realise everyone else has done the same.

[Max Rambone]

So, fuck it....then everybody just specrage whenever they want.

We really only have good intentions for decent pugs here, but if the community wants to accept BS like this, so be it.

~archi

[Roflraptor]

So, fuck it....then everybody just specrage whenever they want.

We really only have good intentions for decent pugs here, but if the community wants to accept BS like this, so be it.

~archi

He was banned for 24 hours, it's not as if nothing was done. Also, do you think my post gives the impression that accepting this is something that will be routinely done?

[Max Rambone]

Well, don't mean to burst your bubble after your epic post, but you didn't consider that we already know that keeping peace in this community is a double-edged sword?

Don't explain to us how making douchebags mind will only make them rage more...

Explain to us how to control it.

Else we just endure and allow dudes that might not be as good, but are committed to having decent PUGs just go on by.

Ya, we still have trk/duo/jawa, but we've lost:

vox
pizza
bob
nub
j3rk
chew
black
and who knows who else to douchebaggery.

Oh, and for the record, when teams go from "slightly stacked" to the "best three vs the worst three(according to general consensus)" because dudes suddenly have "to do something" when they think their team sucks is a killer of PUGs if I've ever seen one.

Also, I don't care who thinks I'm an ass-kisser...

GUARD is the coolest mofo here and the only reason any of us are here.

I've always respected Guard 'cause I know his intentions are always nothing but good.

NEVER doubt Guard.

~archi

[Roflraptor]

Well, don't mean to burst your bubble after your epic post, but you didn't consider that we already know that keeping peace in this community is a double-edged sword?

Don't explain to us how making douchebags mind will only make them rage more...

Explain to us how to control it.

The siege community is small. We all talk to each other and the vast majority of us visit these boards. There's no reason why there can't be a individualised response to someone who is disrupting games on Impulse, one that doesn't involve bludgeoning them over the head with bans until they conform.

The indefinite ban of a player is also less than useful here. Whether people want to realise it or not, Turk has helped far more pugs to go ahead than he has hindered. By banning him the issue isn't resolved and we all lose. If Turk destroyed a pug by leaving when he was upset, there probably wasn't much potential for that pug to have gone ahead without him in the first place. Thus the solution isn't to remove Turk completely, it's to deal with Turk's reasons for leaving and to show him that his actions are counterintuitive to his goals.

Else we just endure and allow dudes that might not be as good, but are committed to having decent PUGs just go on by.

Ya, we still have trk/duo/jawa, but we've lost:

vox
pizza
bob
nub
j3rk
chew
black
and who knows who else to douchebaggery.

As much as I feel it is not their fault for wanting to leave and that some siegers can be somewhat inconsiderate, it's easy to ignore them. I could give you a long list of games I've played online, from FPS to RTS but I can't name one in which someone didn't berate someone else. For all the arrogant and irrational people who played those games that I don't take time out of my day to listen to, there's a long list of kind and thoughtful people that I do. When all is said and done, it is the weight the person gives the insult that dictates their response to it.

Oh, and for the record, when teams go from "slightly stacked" to the "best three vs the worst three(according to general consensus)" because dudes suddenly have "to do something" when they think their team sucks is a killer of PUGs if I've ever seen one.

I agree, I don't enjoy it either but it happens. I don't lose sleep over it because it doesn't happen very often and when it does it's usually only for a single round.

Also, I don't care who thinks I'm an ass-kisser...

GUARD is the coolest mofo here and the only reason any of us are here.

I've always respected Guard 'cause I know his intentions are always nothing but good.

NEVER doubt Guard.

I think Guard is deserving of much praise. He's been stalwart in ensuring things remain as smooth as possible in a community that has often been turbulent at best. His response to my request is a testament to how fair and open-minded he can be in response to a situation.

~archi

~roflraptor